Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
The Clare Byrne Show on Newstalk. With Aviva Insurance. My next guest is the voice behind the iconic White Ladder, the timeless hits like Babylon and This Year's Love. But he's enjoying huge success with his latest album, Dear Life. And he's coming back to Ireland this summer. And I'm delighted to be joined by David Gray.
Hello.
Hello. Hi. Welcome back.
Chapter 2: Who is David Gray and what is his musical background?
Thank you. Welcome back home, I feel I should say. It does feel a bit like home. It does feel a bit like that, doesn't it? I mean, you said that Ireland and the response that Ireland had to you initially back then, that it changed your life, the career trajectory.
Chapter 3: What is the significance of David Gray's latest album, Dear Life?
It's been completely transformative. I think if you're making music, you're just trying to connect heart to heart with somebody. That's the whole point. And that's where it happened here in Ireland from the very beginning with the Century End shows I did at Whelan's. And it's just never, we've never looked back from there. And that relationship has just grown and got deeper and stronger.
And I'm a kind of heart led kind of performer. So Clune and I, way back then, we just poured everything we had into what we're doing. the positiveness that was coming back at us. And it kind of created this amazing relationship, which then went on to become a kind of commercial success, I suppose.
I mean, you're really busy this year looking at what you've done so far. And then the big tour coming up, UK and Ireland, all sorts of dates. I was having a look at it last night and we'll talk about the Irish date soon. But does success feel different now?
Yeah, I'm very grateful for every positive thing that happens. I think it's finite.
Chapter 4: How has David Gray's relationship with Ireland influenced his career?
Suddenly you realize that how long can I sing like this, do this? It's not going to last forever. This is pretty amazing.
You appreciate it more, do you? 100%.
I think that's one of the confusing things about success when it really happens and kicks in. Suddenly everything's sold out and it's all getting bigger and everyone's your friend. It's impossible to keep placing the same value on what you're being given, which is a cheering crowd. So at a certain point in your life, you work out the real value of that.
Maybe something makes you realize that you lose a little bit. And when it comes back, you're certainly not going to forget how important it is.
I was reading back an interview that you did, I think it was after that crazy time where you said you were away in the States, you were missing your family. It's tough, isn't it? That life on the road is tough. It's probably easier to do it now than it was then.
Well, I don't think it gets any easier on the body or the mind, to be honest. You enter a sort of weird world of exhaustion and adrenaline. And it's the distance from home and your forced proximity to other individuals that you've spent far too much time with in the past makes it a challenging process. How did I word that? That was quite careful.
You did well.
This is the politics show, so I was quite political there.
I caught all of the nuance, though. All of the nuance. People who you mightn't choose to live in close quarters with, but you're forced to.
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Chapter 5: What does success feel like for David Gray now compared to earlier in his career?
Maybe we'll just have a listen and we'll talk about it then. Here's After the Harvest.
I know that love is bigger Tell me I've got this.
That's After the Harvest from Dear Life. And as it was playing, David, you were telling me about how that song was made.
Yeah, interesting process because, of course, this was lockdown. And I sent the track to Clune. I was very excited about it, but we couldn't get the rhythm side working. And he lives in America and he went round to his neighbour's house to record the drums, who had a recording studio in inverted commas. That's just...
and obviously he might have had a recording studio but he certainly didn't know how to sync to the track that we sent him so we got this kind of chaotic recording back but Clune really nailed it with the part and once Clune's drums were on there we had this kind of thing that felt finished and all that remained
remained was for the strings and the little trumpet parts the muted trumpet to be put on which was all part of a massive string session we did at air studios which was super super exciting it gives it this lavish quality when you hit those emotional courses i mean i love that track when i'm making a record there's the odd song will land and i'll think this is it this is the key track from which everything else must now relate the album this is the sort of key to the album is here
And when you're listening to that, are you saying to yourself, yeah, I'm happy with that, that's what I wanted, or are you still critical of it?
Of course, critical, yeah. Listening, checking that it's good, that it sounds real. The thing about recorded music is when you listen back to it, it's a sort of small version of what you've got in your head. You can only capture a sort of two-dimensional impression, if you like, of what it was. So when you go live, you hear the whole thing sort of widescreen, for real, live.
the beating heart of the music is right there in front of you. The bass is hitting you in the chest. When you hear it through a tinny little speaker, it sounds like something different. So you want to check that it's doing what it needs to do. And the really good recordings do stand up for themselves, even under unflattering circumstances. So yes, you're always checking, always checking.
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Chapter 6: How does touring impact David Gray's life and mental health?
And that's how it's beginning to govern my use of time. So I write pop songs. I'm doing big. This is a big poppy. I think it's a poppy record. We're doing a big tour because these songs can stand up next to all the big hits, which they have to go shoulder to shoulder with during these shows. The shows have a celebratory tone, but I also do more sort of inward looking music and projects.
And I have sort of other kind of more esoteric dreams going. creative dreams and I will be pursuing those with vigour and intent because they're so important to me to extend that part of my thinking out the width of what I'm doing and the depth of it so that's going to be less about commercial stuff rather than just targeting how can we follow this success up with an even bigger tour and you know
more arena shows or whatever. That's not the way I'm thinking. I'm thinking about what matters to me most in my head and my heart. What's really wanting to be made and what is it that I really want to do? What's the song I really want to sing? I think that's more what's happening over time is I'm making more time and being more discerning about...
the sort of the democracy of how I spread time and focus across different projects and things. So that's how it's changing.
It's great to have that freedom because now, you know, artists who are starting out now, even if they have an album that does really well and everybody's heard about it, they're just not making any money, are they?
It's a challenging time. I'm very fortunate to be on the other side of the line in that I made a success of things before technology took away the idea of a record sale. And when the record sale was removed from the music business, all kinds of problems were left in its way, which haven't really been sorted.
What you've seen is the ticket price gets higher and higher because the event becomes everything. And that's more complicated than just not having the records on sale. That's part of the way life has changed. Being at something and showing people you're there has become a really important thing.
But it's also had to make up the gap for a lot of artists where the money from your publishing or whatever... that physical record sales would have brought in. So the business changed completely and utterly when all that disappeared. And it's still really in a period of readjustment because the labels, the major labels have all readjusted quite happily.
They cut all their costs and now the money's just... pouring nicely into the account. But for artists on the sort of breadline of trying to make a small career work, I think it's definitely modifying people's recording ambitions. Just because you can record something cheaply and put it out doesn't mean that's the best thing for that song.
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