David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH)

But as I learned from Jeff Bezos, by the way, I'm going to disagree and commit.

That was one of those early lessons he gave us that was absolutely crucial and perhaps even instrumental in ensuring that Jason and I have been working together for a quarter of a century.

Disagree and commit is one of the all-time Jeff Bezos greats.

It might have happened.

If not, in part...

Because we don't sit on each other's lap all the time.

Most of our careers, we haven't even lived in the same city.

Like I lived in Chicago for a couple of years while we were getting going after I'd moved to the U.S.

in 2005.

But then I moved to Malibu and then I lived in Spain and then I lived in Copenhagen.

And Jason Rye, from the foundation of our relationship, learned how to work together well.

in a remarkably efficient way where we didn't have to actually talk that much.

On any given week, I'd be surprised if Jason and I spent more than two hours of direct exchange and communication.

Yes, I think if you rub up against another person,

That person damn well better be your spouse if it's too much for too long.

It has.

And I do think that having some separation, which is kind of counterintuitive, because I think a lot of people think the more collaboration you can have, the better.

The more ideas that can bounce back and forth, the better.

And both Jason and I, for whatever reason, came to the conclusion early on in careers, absolutely not.

That's complete baloney.