David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH)

It did not

get easier, first of all.

I don't know if you've used AWS recently.

It is hella complicated.

If you think Linux is hard, you've never tried to set up IAM rules or access parameters or whatever for AWS.

Well, I think it's gotten even more difficult.

But yes.

Now, some of that is it's difficult because it's very capable and you have a bunch of capacity on tap.

And there are reasons...

I don't think they're good enough to justify how complicated the whole zhing and majing has become.

But what's certainly true is that it's no longer easier.

It's not easier to use AWS than it is to run your own machines, which we learned when we pulled out of the cloud and didn't hire a single extra person.

Even though we operate all our own hardware, the team stayed exactly the same.

So you have this three-way pitch, right?

It's going to be easier.

It's going to be cheaper.

It certainly wasn't cheaper.

We've just proved that by cutting our spend on infrastructure by half to two thirds.

And it's going to be faster.

The last bit was true.