David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH)

And by the time that's done, I don't want to go back to work.

So my work time really is 9 to 5, 9 to 6, depending of whatever is going on.

Sometimes there's emergencies and you have to attend to them.

But it's made it more structured.

And I found some...

So I have some benefit in that and I find some productivity in that, that I can't goof around quite as much.

That the day will end at around 536.

That's just, if I didn't accomplish what I wanted to do today, if I get to that time, it's done.

I'm over.

I have to try again tomorrow.

Whereas before having a family and before having kids, I could just like not do it and just make it up in the evening.

So in that way, it's made me more structured, but it hasn't really changed my volume of work all that much.

I still work about the same amount of hours.

And that's, by the way, enough.

This is one of the key points we make in It Doesn't Have to be Crazy at Work, the latest book we wrote, is that there's enough time.

40 hours a week is actually a ton if you don't piss it away.

Most people do piss it away.

They piss it away in meetings.

They piss it away on just stuff that doesn't matter.

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