David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH)

Yes, TextMate.

That was actually the main blocker of moving away from Apple.

Everything else I thought, you know what, I can swing it.

But TextMate was and is a wonderful editor.

One, I helped birth Into This World.

The programmer, Alan Uggle, is a good friend of mine all the way back from the party days when we were lugging our computers around.

Nice.

And he was a big Mac guy.

And in 2005, he was writing this editor.

And I helped him with the project management of kind of keeping him on track, keeping him focused on getting something released because I really wanted it for myself.

And I thought this was the last editor.

I thought I was never going to switch.

Is this... It's quite featureful, but it's...

A GUI-driven editor in some regards.

It was really early on with ways of recording macros and having...

sort of sophisticated syntax highlighting, and it did a bunch of firsts, and it was just a really pleasant editing experience.

I think these days, a lot of people would just use VS Code.

VS Codes exist in the same universe as TextMate in some ways, and actually I think it's compatible with the original TextMate bundles, the original TextMate format.

So it really trailed a path there, but it also just didn't evolve.

Mm-hmm.