David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH)

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It feels like I'm going back to a time where code had to compile and I had to go do something else.

I boil some tea while the code is compiling.

Well, I've been working in Ruby for 20 years.

I...

don't have compile weight in me anymore.

So there's that aspect of it.

But I think the more crucial aspect for me is I really care about the competence.

And I've seen what happens to even great programmers the moment they put away the keyboard.

Because even before AI, this would happen as soon as people would get promoted.

Most great programmers who work in large businesses stop writing code on a daily basis because they simply have too many meetings to attend to.

They have too many other things to do.

And invariably, they lose touch with programming.

That doesn't mean they forget everything.

But if you don't have your fingers in the sauce, the source, you are going to lose touch with it.

There's just no other way.

I don't want that because I enjoy it too much.

This is not just about outcomes.

This is what's crucial to understand.

Programming for programmers who like to code is not just about the programs they get out of it.

That may be the economic value.

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