David Hoffman

I mean, I think for probably for David and I don't want to speak too much for you, David, but we are somewhat skeptical and always have been of use cases beyond the money use cases because it just seems like our ledger technology and even our smart contract ledger technology is kind of built for that.

Cautiously optimistic at the very least.

But these things might come out of encryption rather than crypto itself.

I guess one last question on the Moxie thread, because I'm so glad, Zuko, you brought that up.

That's a really good way to look at it, I think, is...

Can the cypherpunks win, though?

So when it comes to UX and the talent that that requires and almost the seducing a user, let's say, into using an application, it feels like

Silicon Valley and the tech overlords have just got us outgunned.

They have more money.

They have more talent.

They have more users.

They have more ways to subsidize different features or hook us on the dopamine drip.

Like they have boiled this down to a science.

They're very good at what they do.

And what do we have?

What do the cypherpunks have?

I mean, we have kind of the appeal of freedom and you don't have a third party spying on you.

And it doesn't, aside from a small niche of us, it's not clear that the 100 million users will actually come to our products for those things.

I'm not sure that we can win this battle, Zuko.

Like, it's kind of the Linux thing.