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David Kipping

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

It'd probably only cost you

Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

few tens of thousands of dollars, maybe a hundred thousand dollars, but there's basically no one who flies out that far except for bespoke missions, such as like a mission that's going to Mars or something that would pass through that kind of space.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

And they typically don't have a lot of leeway and excess payload that they're willing to strap on for radical experiments.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

So that's been the problem with it.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

In theory, it should work beautifully, but it's a very difficult idea to experimentally test.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

Can you elaborate why the focal point is that far away?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

So you get about half a degree bend from the Earth's atmosphere when you're looking at the Sun at the horizon, and you get that two times over if you're outside of the planet's atmosphere, because the star is half a bend to you still on the horizon and half a degree back out the other way.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

So you get about a one degree bend.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

You take the radius of the Earth, which is about 7,000 kilometers, and do your arctan function, you'll end up with a distance that's about... It's actually the inner focal point is about two-thirds the distance of the Earth-Moon system.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

The problem with that inner focal point is not useful because that light ray path had to basically scrape the surface of the earth.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

So it passes through the clouds.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

It passes through all the thick atmosphere.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

It gets a lot of extinction along the way.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

If you go higher up in altitude, you get less extinction.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

In fact, you can even go above the clouds.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

And so that's even better because the clouds obviously are going to be a pain in the neck for doing anything optical.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

But the problem with that is that the atmosphere, because it gets thinner at higher altitude, it bends light less.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

And so that pushes the focal point out.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

So the most useful focal point is actually about three or four times the distance of the Earth-Moon separation.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#355 โ€“ David Kipping: Alien Civilizations and Habitable Worlds

And so that's what we call one of the Lagrange points, essentially.