David Kipping

100,000 years?

I mean, we should still be anatomically kind of not evolved too much at that point, all things being equal.

So I'm fascinated by us.

I think we are the most fascinating thing that's ever happened to this planet.

And I think it's such a shame that my finite lifetime means I will never know where this incredible story eventually goes to.

I wonder if it's more of a cultural feedback.

Because, you know, Adam wrote a book about UFOs, recent Adam Frank.

And he was telling me about their story that when the first UFOs started to be reported, the first flying saucers, like around Roswell in the 50s, that...

There was a farmer or something that was being interviewed, and he saw something.

And a journalist came and interviewed him about what he saw, and he described something.

And it was not a flying saucer, but the journalist misheard him and wrote down flying saucer.

And then in the years that followed, there was an explosion in the number of eyewitness reports of flying saucers.

But it all happened after...

It came into print that this concept had almost been the idea, like a meme, had been put out there.

And once the memes there of the greys or the flying saucers, when you're in those delusional states or whatever it is, you know, you're in some kind of weird...

a perceptional state, it is possible that your brain reaches for something and it reaches it and it finds that meme and it's like, that could be that, that could be that, that makes sense because that's all it's got for context.

So yeah, my guess would be it's more of a cultural phenomenon, but you should chat to a sociologist or psychologist about that because I'm sure they'd have a much more informed opinion about what's going on there.

So I was like, is it?

Yeah, there is a phenomena called gestalt reconfiguration that psychologists talk about.

And I know about this term from Mars.