David Kipping

saying, oh, here comes the moon.

I heard there's a moon guy in the group or something.

They thought the idea of looking for moons was crazy.

So they're all kind of laughing.

I came around the corridor and, you know, kind of like, yeah, you know, it was kind of awkward.

And I felt like they all looked down at me and they probably did back then.

And after a few years, I really, I know I earned their respect because I was out publishing them and I was driven by that competition.

I was like, I'm going to show you, I'm going to prove to you how good I am.

by publishing twice what you publish.

I'm going to do better science, I'm going to do more of it.

I'm going to make myself so good, you can't ignore me.

It'd be ridiculous to ignore what I'm doing because I'm so far ahead of you.

That's what I wanted to do.

And I got to a point where I knew they wanted me in their group now.

They were like, oh, come join our group.

And I didn't let them get close because I knew I performed better when I play that game in my head that everyone's against me.

It was just sort of a mind fuckery.

And it's that same thing as martial arts.

It's like learning what are the tricks, the hacks that make you operate well, but being conscious of it.

And I think as a society, if we can do that, there's a hack.