David Ko

And is it going to be used against me?

And is it going to be used against me?

Is someone going to write about it and say I'm too weak? Is the board going to think I'm weak as a leader? And I think that's ultimately also a fail of corporate stewardship because they have to also look after your mental health. And so I'm fortunate to be on the board of Calm today, but if I wasn't CEO, I would be asking that CEO, hey, how are you doing? How are you holding up?

Is someone going to write about it and say I'm too weak? Is the board going to think I'm weak as a leader? And I think that's ultimately also a fail of corporate stewardship because they have to also look after your mental health. And so I'm fortunate to be on the board of Calm today, but if I wasn't CEO, I would be asking that CEO, hey, how are you doing? How are you holding up?

Let's not talk about the numbers today. I find it really effective when I meet with CEOs and they ask for some coaching. We don't talk about any numbers. We don't talk about the metrics. We just talk about life. And we'll eventually go to that later.

Let's not talk about the numbers today. I find it really effective when I meet with CEOs and they ask for some coaching. We don't talk about any numbers. We don't talk about the metrics. We just talk about life. And we'll eventually go to that later.

But I think when we start with more of a trusting place where we can understand what's happening around you, then I can be much more thoughtful in the type of advice I give. But this also means I have to create the space and the time to do it. So not everyone has that, right? And that's where I think it's just really important to be really intentional, right?

But I think when we start with more of a trusting place where we can understand what's happening around you, then I can be much more thoughtful in the type of advice I give. But this also means I have to create the space and the time to do it. So not everyone has that, right? And that's where I think it's just really important to be really intentional, right?

Be really purposeful in these conversations.

Be really purposeful in these conversations.

Well said.

Well said.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Speaking of that, because you've talked about, you know, certain rituals, are there certain things that you do every day, like religion every day that you just do?

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Speaking of that, because you've talked about, you know, certain rituals, are there certain things that you do every day, like religion every day that you just do?

Yeah. I love that. I sometimes start my beginning of the week staff meetings with like, how was your weekend? Just tell us something that happened personal. I also find sometimes we get into all the details without getting to know one another. Yeah. And I find a lot... A lot of times teams don't work well. They can work better together when they're a little bit more personal with one another.

Yeah. I love that. I sometimes start my beginning of the week staff meetings with like, how was your weekend? Just tell us something that happened personal. I also find sometimes we get into all the details without getting to know one another. Yeah. And I find a lot... A lot of times teams don't work well. They can work better together when they're a little bit more personal with one another.

And it may, it doesn't have to be deep. It could just be like, hey, what did you do? Some people will say, I went on a hike. I, you know, went to my kid's game or, you know, I went, I traveled somewhere. or binge watch the show and we're all like, what show? What's your favorite show or something? And we just get to learn something a little bit more personal about the individual.

And it may, it doesn't have to be deep. It could just be like, hey, what did you do? Some people will say, I went on a hike. I, you know, went to my kid's game or, you know, I went, I traveled somewhere. or binge watch the show and we're all like, what show? What's your favorite show or something? And we just get to learn something a little bit more personal about the individual.

And then it's less about, oh, did you hand in that PRD or something, right? It's just, it's more personal. Yeah. And I think, and by you just doing your wins every week, you know, how, I just, I love that.

And then it's less about, oh, did you hand in that PRD or something, right? It's just, it's more personal. Yeah. And I think, and by you just doing your wins every week, you know, how, I just, I love that.