David Kyle Johnson

Certainly, like I wrote a blog post explicitly about this in 2008, right?

So we're going back 18 years where I said, absolutely, the Turing test is not a test for consciousness.

It's completely approaching the question in the wrong way, right?

It's only looking at output.

It's not looking at process.

Yeah, it's an operational test.

It's basically Turing was saying, we can't really know if a machine's conscious or not.

How do you operationalize that?

But here is something we can operationalize.

And this at least is some indication that the computer is thinking, but he doesn't say it's conscious.

So I think no one's moving the goalpost here.

It's just it never, there was never a consensus that a Turing test was a test of consciousness.

So I think he's just – he's not a topic expert here.

So I think he's just misunderstanding that.

I think in the public maybe, but that was never really among experts and certainly – Right.

Or philosophers, the people who –

You know, who are the experts on that question?

It was never accepted as a premise.

So just I think it's not correct to say that we're moving the goalpost.

Again, I could point to my own blog post from 18 years ago where I explicitly reject the notion that the Turing test is a test of consciousness.