David Marchese

So the question I want to end on for this part of the conversation is, you know, there was a German sociologist named Max Weber from like the late 19th century, early 20th century.

And he had this idea that the modern world has become disenchanted.

That, you know, because of science and rationality, that we've lost a sense of enchantment about the world.

That people who lived in a pre-modern time, it was just their birthright was to have a sense of enchantment about the world.

Like awe.

Awe, yeah.

Or, you know, you might, one might have felt that spirits were present or ghosts were present or...

But my hunch is that you do experience enchantment.

Is that true?

And also, how might one cultivate a sense of enchantment?

Hot take.

I really enjoyed it.

After the break, I talk to Chloe again, and she tells me about the surprising way she coped with uncertainty when she was growing up.

Hi, Chloe.

I've been looking forward to speaking with you again, so thank you for making the time.

Of course.

I felt like our first conversation kind of was really, the energy kept accumulating.

We got deeper and deeper the longer we went, and now that it's been a little while since we spoke, it might be a little difficult to get right back into it.

How do you drop in physically?

Move my hand close together?