David Marchese

And I think this is actually painting, in whole, kind of a grim portrait of American society.

Like, what do you think—

your podcast is saying about American society writ large?

Like if an alien were to come down and watch Ramit Sethi's show, what would the takeaway be?

It doesn't, just in listening to you give that answer, it also doesn't help that we clearly live in a society that thinks people who have money are better than people who don't have it.

And also people think they deserve to have more money than the people who don't have it.

I want to know about your political evolution a little bit.

I'm no expert on the space, but I think one of the heavyweights is a guy like Dave Ramsey, right, who is sort of like has a good old boy vibe.

And I think he's sort of publicly pretty pro-Trump.

Was there some point in your career in which you consciously thought, like, there is a lane for somebody to talk about money who seems politically different than Dave Ramsey?

Like, there's like a...

a left-coded version of that guy, and I want to be him.

Well, this is something that maybe relates to the kind of personal political change you just described.

When I was reading I Will Teach You to Be Rich, you know, I understand this book was now written, you know, 17 years ago.

But, you know, you write about the problem of victim culture.

And you sort of suggest that people who complain about systemic and societal or structural problems related to personal finance are like whiners, you know.

What did you say?

Well, so what are the valid structural reasons for why some people struggle to get ahead?

Can we give credence to someone who says, like, look, the game is rigged against me.

I could follow every step that Ramit Sethi tells me to take, and I'm still going to struggle to get my head above water?