David Marchese

You know, an example of that stridency might even be something that has to do with Peter Beinart, who I mentioned earlier, who recently gave a talk at a university in Tel Aviv, and he got a lot of criticism from people who said, you know, you should be boycotting Israeli institutions and you shouldn't be engaging with them.

And I think that kind of attitude is not one that you share.

And I'm just curious to know if you see generational differences in how pro-Palestinian voices express themselves and the tactics that they call for.

So does the fact it never worked give you pause about the ultimate efficacy of your tactics?

We're speaking right at the end of the year.

What is your wish for the new year?

Roger, thank you for taking all the time to speak with me and I hope you have a happy holidays.

That's Raja Shahadeh.

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