David Marchese

So those are all sort of before the age of democracy.

Terrible. I can't believe I'm saying a phrase like this. If you put Hitler aside and only look at Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Pinochet, Idi Amin, we're looking at people responsible for the deaths of something like 75 to 100 million people. So given that historical precedent, do we really want to try dictatorship?

Terrible. I can't believe I'm saying a phrase like this. If you put Hitler aside and only look at Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Pinochet, Idi Amin, we're looking at people responsible for the deaths of something like 75 to 100 million people. So given that historical precedent, do we really want to try dictatorship?

What we don't see in human history, what? You didn't finish the talk.

What we don't see in human history, what? You didn't finish the talk.

But one thing I noticed when I was going through your stuff is that, you know, you make these historical claims, like the one you just made about sort of no genocide in Europe between 1000 AD and the Holocaust, essentially. And then, you know, I poke around and think, huh, is that true? And then you think, well, there was Tamerlane.

But one thing I noticed when I was going through your stuff is that, you know, you make these historical claims, like the one you just made about sort of no genocide in Europe between 1000 AD and the Holocaust, essentially. And then, you know, I poke around and think, huh, is that true? And then you think, well, there was Tamerlane.

Well, okay, on the edges of Europe. And that's sort of like a goalpost shift there. But then, or you think, well, there were the French wars of religion. They killed millions of people, including the massacre of the Huguenots.

Well, okay, on the edges of Europe. And that's sort of like a goalpost shift there. But then, or you think, well, there were the French wars of religion. They killed millions of people, including the massacre of the Huguenots.

My skepticism comes from what I feel like is a pretty strong cherry picking of historical incidents to support your arguments. And then I look and I go, there's the incidents that you're pointing to are either not necessarily factually settled or there's a different way of looking at them. But I actually want to just because some of the historical references. are now actually making my head hurt.

My skepticism comes from what I feel like is a pretty strong cherry picking of historical incidents to support your arguments. And then I look and I go, there's the incidents that you're pointing to are either not necessarily factually settled or there's a different way of looking at them. But I actually want to just because some of the historical references. are now actually making my head hurt.

I just want to ask a couple very concrete questions about some of the stuff you've written about race, for example, which seems pretty provocative, to say the least. I'll read you some examples. This is the trouble with white nationalism. It is strategically barren. It offers no effective political program.

I just want to ask a couple very concrete questions about some of the stuff you've written about race, for example, which seems pretty provocative, to say the least. I'll read you some examples. This is the trouble with white nationalism. It is strategically barren. It offers no effective political program.

To me, the trouble with white nationalism is that it's racist, not that it's strategically unsophisticated.

To me, the trouble with white nationalism is that it's racist, not that it's strategically unsophisticated.

It is very difficult to argue that the Civil War made anyone's life more pleasant, including that of freed slaves. Come on.

It is very difficult to argue that the Civil War made anyone's life more pleasant, including that of freed slaves. Come on.

If you ask me to condemn Anders Breivik, the Norwegian mass murderer, but adore Nelson Mandela, perhaps you have a mother you'd like to fuck.

If you ask me to condemn Anders Breivik, the Norwegian mass murderer, but adore Nelson Mandela, perhaps you have a mother you'd like to fuck.

And this is a guy who's saying, let's go. Let's go through.