David Marchese

How is it going for you, learning to enjoy the shit?

Thank you very much for taking all the time to speak with me.

I appreciate it.

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Her movie Hamnet is in theaters now.

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I'm David Marchese, and this is The Interview from The New York Times.

From The New York Times, this is The Interview.

I'm David Marchese.

Last fall, George Saunders was awarded the National Book Foundation's Medal for Distinguished Contribution to American Letters.

In the speech introducing him, in addition to a glowing rundown of his literary resume, which includes the 2017 Booker Prize-winning novel, Lincoln in the Bardo, he was also called the ultimate teacher of kindness and craft.

Pretty good, right?

Well, mostly.