David Marchese

And the novel is dedicated to a real life Grazina. Yeah. Can you tell me about who she was and what your relationship with her was? She's my partner's grandmother.

Sort of a waiting lounge.

Sort of a waiting lounge.

Just what was happening.

Just what was happening.

So you had the experience of Being a caregiver for her and I think also for your mom when your mom was dying from cancer, what did you learn about caregiving or what did it teach you? Because I think until we've gone through it, we can look at it almost as like a penalty or something that's solely to be endured without any other positive qualities. But what was your experience?

So you had the experience of Being a caregiver for her and I think also for your mom when your mom was dying from cancer, what did you learn about caregiving or what did it teach you? Because I think until we've gone through it, we can look at it almost as like a penalty or something that's solely to be endured without any other positive qualities. But what was your experience?

It's not a world away from the idea you said earlier of kindness without hope.

It's not a world away from the idea you said earlier of kindness without hope.

Do you think it changed the kind of writer you are?

Do you think it changed the kind of writer you are?

You mean who you support financially?

You mean who you support financially?

Yeah.

Yeah.

You took a different path, but you did it.

You took a different path, but you did it.

Well, also, it just, you know, for better or worse, it turns out that cynicism wins a lot of the time. Yeah. Earnestness isn't always rewarded. I know the point is not to be rewarded for earnestness, but it is easy to be skeptical about it when you see how the spoils are divided.

Well, also, it just, you know, for better or worse, it turns out that cynicism wins a lot of the time. Yeah. Earnestness isn't always rewarded. I know the point is not to be rewarded for earnestness, but it is easy to be skeptical about it when you see how the spoils are divided.

After the break, I talk to Ocean again, and he tells me how falling in love with literature was sometimes a wedge between him and his family.