David McCloskey

But Bettany had been based in Northern Ireland, where his experiences had pushed him toward alcoholism and breakdown, which I guess if you've been listening to the series so far, you would understand after working so close to the troubles.

And Michael Bettany is the handler.

who Carlin, Willie Carlin, had known as Ben.

And then we'll get Kevin Bacon here in a moment.

That can't be right, right?

That he's flown out on- On a private jet.

I thought the PM flew commercial.

And then there's another case, Joe Fenton, who is going to be one of these tragic characters who gets caught up in this dirty war and who ends up paying a significant price.

So I think obviously the cold logic here is that some of these assets are more useful to the British state and some are less useful.

And so there's a kind of rank ordering.

But why is Carlin a big fish and Fenton isn't in this case?

Because Fenton's doing something that's really valuable to the Frew and to the British army.

So why do they let him die?

There's also the case of Sandy Lynch, and this takes place in early 1990.

Sandy Lynch is 34 years old at the time, an IRA man who's involved in selecting targets for operations, and he's detained for questioning by the ISU about whether or not he's an informer.

Hold on, just to go back to this multi-layered trap that's being set here.

So this is a ploy by the Fru, by the Army, to lure senior Republicans into one spot so that they can be arrested.

Is that right?

And of course, the IRA...

No, after this raid has occurred, which obviously, I guess, just the mere fact that the raid happens would raise your suspicions that there was someone who had knowledge of the meeting or who was actually there who had tipped off the British authorities.