David McCloskey

And you're kind of looking...

for inconsistencies or anomalies in that story to understand.

And then if you find them, you zero in on those and kind of try to break someone down that way so you can understand if they're telling you the truth.

And Richard O'Rourke has a great quote describing Scap's kind of style.

He says, Scap's party piece was to say,

You have an hour in which to make your mind up whether you're going to tell me everything.

If you don't tell me everything within the hour, then I can't do anything for you.

I'm washing my hands of you.

I can put your case to the IRA Army Council.

I can probably get you out of this as long as you tell me everything.

But after that hour, I'm gone and other people will take you away and they are going to hang you upside down in a barn, skin you alive and crucify you.

As the hour counted down, he would say, you have 10 minutes to go, five minutes to go, two minutes to tell me everything.

That often worked.

People talked.

hoping they wouldn't get tortured.

And I think it's, you know, it's interesting there that he's, he's kind of dangling.

I can probably get you out of this, you know, as this gives someone hope that if they just, if they just tell you the truth, it'll be over and everything will be fine.

When of course that's usually not the case.

And Eamon Collins, who is the former IRA member, was later

killed by the IRA, quotes a conversation he had with John McGee and Scappaticci in his book, Killing Rage.