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David McCloskey

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

And you had the sense that the Egyptian regime was using some violence, but was definitely waffling in how it was going to respond to the

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

to these protests and you could see the sort of private views shifting.

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

You could see people looking at these protests and saying, okay, this is now possible.

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

What I thought was impossible two months ago is now possible.

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

And it's that, you know, fear changing sides thing starting to happen.

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

And it gets to this idea that, okay,

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

what's going on in the minds of millions of people is the that's the intelligence problem and it's why it's impossible because all of a sudden you have this massive sort of shift this everybody's brains shift in a very short period of time and i think that syria in particular you know during the arab spring has some real parallels and lessons for what we're what we're seeing today

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

in Iran, and there really are some overlapping characteristics that I think make it a potential interesting case study in what we could be seeing today.

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

I mean, one obvious one is there are widespread protests, right, in both situations that initially center around the economic situation and sort of basic political freedoms, but eventually come to focus on Iran.

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

You know, sort of the removal of the leader and the system or the family in the case of the Assad regime.

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

But in both cases, you have this kind of disorganized grassroots opposition movement that is very fragmented, whose loudest members are overseas and out of the country.

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

These opposition movements tend to be very cannibalistic, right?

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

They eat their own.

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

And they often work at cross purposes.

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

In Syria, that opposition movement also became much more militaristic over time, or just it transitioned from what had been a largely peaceful kind of disorganized protest movement into

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

organized pockets of armed opposition to the regime.

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

And I think hopefully we'll get more information out of Iran as the internet comes back up and we get some more firsthand accounts.

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

But it's hard for me to imagine this many people killed if you didn't have some pockets of true armed resistance.

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

to the Iranian regime.

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119. Inside Iran: Why Trump Didn’t Intervene (Ep 2)

And so maybe we're seeing a potential shift in some parts of Iran or in some pockets of this opposition where you're having people actually picking up weapons and using that to defend themselves, defend protesters, or even just go after the regime.