David McCloskey

Now, is that interview the first time that one of his leaks was connected to the US just straight up spying on a foreign adversary. Because that is another piece of this that is obviously not sat well with most Americans, I think, since is that he's revealing here in this interview in China, which by the way, I think

in the context of all of these massive articles coming out in The Guardian the week prior, was sort of ignored, is that he's actually revealing something about just the US spying on a foreign adversary. This had nothing to do with domestic collection. Mass surveillance.

in the context of all of these massive articles coming out in The Guardian the week prior, was sort of ignored, is that he's actually revealing something about just the US spying on a foreign adversary. This had nothing to do with domestic collection. Mass surveillance.

in the context of all of these massive articles coming out in The Guardian the week prior, was sort of ignored, is that he's actually revealing something about just the US spying on a foreign adversary. This had nothing to do with domestic collection. Mass surveillance.

After all those failed attempts by the triads, the CIA hired triads to get into his hotel room. Finally had to play it straight. The base chief in Hong Kong was just furious at the end of the week.

After all those failed attempts by the triads, the CIA hired triads to get into his hotel room. Finally had to play it straight. The base chief in Hong Kong was just furious at the end of the week.

After all those failed attempts by the triads, the CIA hired triads to get into his hotel room. Finally had to play it straight. The base chief in Hong Kong was just furious at the end of the week.

I guess as he goes, he's got to balance the threat of maybe immediate extradition, right? If you go to some place like Iceland and it goes south, you just maybe get sent home much more quickly, straight away. Whereas Hong Kong, you've got a bit more... There's maybe a little bit more political leeway. And so maybe he's got to balance this kind of intermediate kind of airlock, right? Where he's...

I guess as he goes, he's got to balance the threat of maybe immediate extradition, right? If you go to some place like Iceland and it goes south, you just maybe get sent home much more quickly, straight away. Whereas Hong Kong, you've got a bit more... There's maybe a little bit more political leeway. And so maybe he's got to balance this kind of intermediate kind of airlock, right? Where he's...

I guess as he goes, he's got to balance the threat of maybe immediate extradition, right? If you go to some place like Iceland and it goes south, you just maybe get sent home much more quickly, straight away. Whereas Hong Kong, you've got a bit more... There's maybe a little bit more political leeway. And so maybe he's got to balance this kind of intermediate kind of airlock, right? Where he's...

He's potentially going to use the leaks and how that sort of gets filtered publicly to build enough credibility to get a place that he considers sort of open to internet freedom or privacy to then accept him. And obviously, it doesn't pan out that way at all.

He's potentially going to use the leaks and how that sort of gets filtered publicly to build enough credibility to get a place that he considers sort of open to internet freedom or privacy to then accept him. And obviously, it doesn't pan out that way at all.

He's potentially going to use the leaks and how that sort of gets filtered publicly to build enough credibility to get a place that he considers sort of open to internet freedom or privacy to then accept him. And obviously, it doesn't pan out that way at all.

Enter WikiLeaks.

Enter WikiLeaks.

Enter WikiLeaks.

But I suppose they've got to create an itinerary that hopscotches through territories where he will not be extradited, right?

But I suppose they've got to create an itinerary that hopscotches through territories where he will not be extradited, right?

But I suppose they've got to create an itinerary that hopscotches through territories where he will not be extradited, right?

Yeah.