David McCloskey

It sounds like something that a sort of enterprising spy thriller writer might include in one of their insane spy thrillers. Yeah, I was going to say, perfect dialogue. Perfect dialogue for you. Great dialogue, yeah.

It sounds like something that a sort of enterprising spy thriller writer might include in one of their insane spy thrillers. Yeah, I was going to say, perfect dialogue. Perfect dialogue for you. Great dialogue, yeah.

It sounds like something that a sort of enterprising spy thriller writer might include in one of their insane spy thrillers. Yeah, I was going to say, perfect dialogue. Perfect dialogue for you. Great dialogue, yeah.

But I think it does tell you something about his worldview, doesn't it? I realize that there will be a batch of listeners who would assume that this is what the former CIA guy is going to say. But what Snowden is alleging here is ridiculous, that the CIA would attempt to render him from China. I mean, the US will later on request that the Chinese government send him back home.

But I think it does tell you something about his worldview, doesn't it? I realize that there will be a batch of listeners who would assume that this is what the former CIA guy is going to say. But what Snowden is alleging here is ridiculous, that the CIA would attempt to render him from China. I mean, the US will later on request that the Chinese government send him back home.

But I think it does tell you something about his worldview, doesn't it? I realize that there will be a batch of listeners who would assume that this is what the former CIA guy is going to say. But what Snowden is alleging here is ridiculous, that the CIA would attempt to render him from China. I mean, the US will later on request that the Chinese government send him back home.

But the idea here is somehow that there are going to be a group of CIA paid triads that break into his hotel room and put a bag over his head and put him on a Gulfstream to fly back to Washington. I mean, it's actually... And I think it shows you how much of a video game he has turned this into.

But the idea here is somehow that there are going to be a group of CIA paid triads that break into his hotel room and put a bag over his head and put him on a Gulfstream to fly back to Washington. I mean, it's actually... And I think it shows you how much of a video game he has turned this into.

But the idea here is somehow that there are going to be a group of CIA paid triads that break into his hotel room and put a bag over his head and put him on a Gulfstream to fly back to Washington. I mean, it's actually... And I think it shows you how much of a video game he has turned this into.

Who's just gone public. Yeah. That's right. But yes, you're right. But again, it's this idea that he's filtering.

Who's just gone public. Yeah. That's right. But yes, you're right. But again, it's this idea that he's filtering.

Who's just gone public. Yeah. That's right. But yes, you're right. But again, it's this idea that he's filtering.

It does raise the question of what he thought would happen, I think. Because in my view is that he probably thought once these articles came out- that he would be able to go someplace like, I think he even mentioned this as a possibility, like Iceland. Even at this point, I don't think that in his mind, China or Russia are the preferred sort of destinations. Yeah, I think that's true.

It does raise the question of what he thought would happen, I think. Because in my view is that he probably thought once these articles came out- that he would be able to go someplace like, I think he even mentioned this as a possibility, like Iceland. Even at this point, I don't think that in his mind, China or Russia are the preferred sort of destinations. Yeah, I think that's true.

It does raise the question of what he thought would happen, I think. Because in my view is that he probably thought once these articles came out- that he would be able to go someplace like, I think he even mentioned this as a possibility, like Iceland. Even at this point, I don't think that in his mind, China or Russia are the preferred sort of destinations. Yeah, I think that's true.

I think he believed, again, in this kind of image of him as, hey, I'm the hero in this story, and it's self-evident that what I'm doing is right. I think he believed that someplace more

I think he believed, again, in this kind of image of him as, hey, I'm the hero in this story, and it's self-evident that what I'm doing is right. I think he believed that someplace more

I think he believed, again, in this kind of image of him as, hey, I'm the hero in this story, and it's self-evident that what I'm doing is right. I think he believed that someplace more

Now, is that interview the first time that one of his leaks was connected to the US just straight up spying on a foreign adversary. Because that is another piece of this that is obviously not sat well with most Americans, I think, since is that he's revealing here in this interview in China, which by the way, I think

Now, is that interview the first time that one of his leaks was connected to the US just straight up spying on a foreign adversary. Because that is another piece of this that is obviously not sat well with most Americans, I think, since is that he's revealing here in this interview in China, which by the way, I think