David McCloskey

That even though he's told his girlfriend, Lindsay Mills, absolutely nothing about what he's done or even where he is, that as I read in his sort of deranged manifesto, this idea that he was going to incur a massive personal cost for doing this. I mean, that is true, right? And that net is starting to close on him.

That even though he's told his girlfriend, Lindsay Mills, absolutely nothing about what he's done or even where he is, that as I read in his sort of deranged manifesto, this idea that he was going to incur a massive personal cost for doing this. I mean, that is true, right? And that net is starting to close on him.

So at CIA – and I imagine it's true at NSA too – If you don't show up, you could just be sick or something bad written. If you don't show up, they'll call you, contact you. And if you don't answer, they will send people. to your house, your apartment to check on you. So it could be the case here that he had said, hey, I need a week. Yeah, and he's been off for longer.

So at CIA – and I imagine it's true at NSA too – If you don't show up, you could just be sick or something bad written. If you don't show up, they'll call you, contact you. And if you don't answer, they will send people. to your house, your apartment to check on you. So it could be the case here that he had said, hey, I need a week. Yeah, and he's been off for longer.

So at CIA – and I imagine it's true at NSA too – If you don't show up, you could just be sick or something bad written. If you don't show up, they'll call you, contact you. And if you don't answer, they will send people. to your house, your apartment to check on you. So it could be the case here that he had said, hey, I need a week. Yeah, and he's been off for longer.

And he's been off for a little bit longer. And then they call. He doesn't respond. Then someone goes out to the house. And so I think it's very possible that it's not like they were spying on him, but that he was gone longer than they had thought. And if you have an employee with a top secret security clearance who has essentially gone AWOL, You check it.

And he's been off for a little bit longer. And then they call. He doesn't respond. Then someone goes out to the house. And so I think it's very possible that it's not like they were spying on him, but that he was gone longer than they had thought. And if you have an employee with a top secret security clearance who has essentially gone AWOL, You check it.

And he's been off for a little bit longer. And then they call. He doesn't respond. Then someone goes out to the house. And so I think it's very possible that it's not like they were spying on him, but that he was gone longer than they had thought. And if you have an employee with a top secret security clearance who has essentially gone AWOL, You check it.

Well, and it really is an absolute banger of a story that's going to turn the entire United States and its intelligence community completely upside down. So maybe... There we'll leave poor Edward Snowden in his decrepit, smelly hotel room in Hong Kong. And when we return, we'll see what in the world that earth-shaking story had to say.

Well, and it really is an absolute banger of a story that's going to turn the entire United States and its intelligence community completely upside down. So maybe... There we'll leave poor Edward Snowden in his decrepit, smelly hotel room in Hong Kong. And when we return, we'll see what in the world that earth-shaking story had to say.

Well, and it really is an absolute banger of a story that's going to turn the entire United States and its intelligence community completely upside down. So maybe... There we'll leave poor Edward Snowden in his decrepit, smelly hotel room in Hong Kong. And when we return, we'll see what in the world that earth-shaking story had to say.

And rumor is that first prize draw, Gordon, is going to be for lucky winners to receive a copy of your latest book, The Spy in the Archive, signed by you. Isn't that right?

And rumor is that first prize draw, Gordon, is going to be for lucky winners to receive a copy of your latest book, The Spy in the Archive, signed by you. Isn't that right?

And rumor is that first prize draw, Gordon, is going to be for lucky winners to receive a copy of your latest book, The Spy in the Archive, signed by you. Isn't that right?

I'm David McCloskey, former CIA analyst turned spy novelist. And I'm Gordon Carrera, national security journalist. Together, we're the hosts of another Goal Hanger show, The Rest is Classified, and we bring you brilliant stories from the world of spies.

I'm David McCloskey, former CIA analyst turned spy novelist. And I'm Gordon Carrera, national security journalist. Together, we're the hosts of another Goal Hanger show, The Rest is Classified, and we bring you brilliant stories from the world of spies.

I'm David McCloskey, former CIA analyst turned spy novelist. And I'm Gordon Carrera, national security journalist. Together, we're the hosts of another Goal Hanger show, The Rest is Classified, and we bring you brilliant stories from the world of spies.

It was 2011 when Snowden shocked the world by revealing that the American government was bulk collecting data on its own citizens and even spying on our allies.

It was 2011 when Snowden shocked the world by revealing that the American government was bulk collecting data on its own citizens and even spying on our allies.

It was 2011 when Snowden shocked the world by revealing that the American government was bulk collecting data on its own citizens and even spying on our allies.