David McCloskey

We will take you through the whole story from Snowden's early career in the CIA and the NSA to his life in exile in Russia.

We will take you through the whole story from Snowden's early career in the CIA and the NSA to his life in exile in Russia.

We will take you through the whole story from Snowden's early career in the CIA and the NSA to his life in exile in Russia.

I'm David McCloskey, former CIA analyst turned spy novelist. And I'm Gordon Carrera, national security journalist. Together, we're the hosts of another Goalhanger show, The Rest is Classified, and we bring you brilliant stories from the world of spies. Here's that clip we mentioned earlier on. June 5th, 2013, this first article drops, and it's a massive one.

I'm David McCloskey, former CIA analyst turned spy novelist. And I'm Gordon Carrera, national security journalist. Together, we're the hosts of another Goalhanger show, The Rest is Classified, and we bring you brilliant stories from the world of spies. Here's that clip we mentioned earlier on. June 5th, 2013, this first article drops, and it's a massive one.

I'm David McCloskey, former CIA analyst turned spy novelist. And I'm Gordon Carrera, national security journalist. Together, we're the hosts of another Goalhanger show, The Rest is Classified, and we bring you brilliant stories from the world of spies. Here's that clip we mentioned earlier on. June 5th, 2013, this first article drops, and it's a massive one.

There is a... tremendous gap between the understanding of this program, I think, inside the upper reaches of Congress and the intelligence community in the White House and what the American people think is happening. And that's where this article is such a bombshell because Americans prior to this, ordinary people, did not have an understanding that any of this was authorized. Exactly.

There is a... tremendous gap between the understanding of this program, I think, inside the upper reaches of Congress and the intelligence community in the White House and what the American people think is happening. And that's where this article is such a bombshell because Americans prior to this, ordinary people, did not have an understanding that any of this was authorized. Exactly.

There is a... tremendous gap between the understanding of this program, I think, inside the upper reaches of Congress and the intelligence community in the White House and what the American people think is happening. And that's where this article is such a bombshell because Americans prior to this, ordinary people, did not have an understanding that any of this was authorized. Exactly.

I had practically unlimited access to the communications of nearly every man, woman, and child on earth who ever dialed a phone or touched a computer. All right. Well, that was Edward Snowden, also from his memoir, Permanent Record. And we're back with episode two of the Edward Snowden journey.

I had practically unlimited access to the communications of nearly every man, woman, and child on earth who ever dialed a phone or touched a computer. All right. Well, that was Edward Snowden, also from his memoir, Permanent Record. And we're back with episode two of the Edward Snowden journey.

I had practically unlimited access to the communications of nearly every man, woman, and child on earth who ever dialed a phone or touched a computer. All right. Well, that was Edward Snowden, also from his memoir, Permanent Record. And we're back with episode two of the Edward Snowden journey.

And despite the fact that I think that line, Gordon, that I just read, that you just made me read, which is actually the better way to say it, is completely fabricated. Deadly sin number one from Edward Snowden. We're going to talk a little bit today about really Snowden's journey to getting to a point where he is sitting on top of a trove of massive secrets.

And despite the fact that I think that line, Gordon, that I just read, that you just made me read, which is actually the better way to say it, is completely fabricated. Deadly sin number one from Edward Snowden. We're going to talk a little bit today about really Snowden's journey to getting to a point where he is sitting on top of a trove of massive secrets.

And despite the fact that I think that line, Gordon, that I just read, that you just made me read, which is actually the better way to say it, is completely fabricated. Deadly sin number one from Edward Snowden. We're going to talk a little bit today about really Snowden's journey to getting to a point where he is sitting on top of a trove of massive secrets.

Also in this period, I will note that Dell had tried to move him in about September of 2010 to a position where he would support IT systems at CIA. But... But, and for those watching, this is a Scattered Castles reference, so mark it down. Because of his DROG mark, his sort of black flag mark, in Scattered Castles, the system that manages clearances, Dell couldn't put him in that position.

Also in this period, I will note that Dell had tried to move him in about September of 2010 to a position where he would support IT systems at CIA. But... But, and for those watching, this is a Scattered Castles reference, so mark it down. Because of his DROG mark, his sort of black flag mark, in Scattered Castles, the system that manages clearances, Dell couldn't put him in that position.

Also in this period, I will note that Dell had tried to move him in about September of 2010 to a position where he would support IT systems at CIA. But... But, and for those watching, this is a Scattered Castles reference, so mark it down. Because of his DROG mark, his sort of black flag mark, in Scattered Castles, the system that manages clearances, Dell couldn't put him in that position.

They had to find another spot for him that didn't require the same level of security clearance. And so he ends up kind of back in another role and then eventually in Hawaii. Yeah.

They had to find another spot for him that didn't require the same level of security clearance. And so he ends up kind of back in another role and then eventually in Hawaii. Yeah.