David Pakman

Do I understand the difference between news and opinion, et cetera, but it's a very different feel now.

And then the other thing is it's starting to get very corporate, even in the

online independent media space for two reasons.

One legacy and corporate media all have a presence in podcast and YouTube.

CNN has podcasts and CNN has a massive YouTube channel.

So I think that's one difference.

And then the other is private equity and investment firms are getting involved in, um, a lot of, of what was previously completely independent media.

So all of that is really changing the feel of the space.

Do you think that's the, do you take it as a negative that it's becoming more corporate?

I think that there are negative and positive aspects to it.

I think the negative can be sometimes when money comes in, it kind of flattens things.

So a lot of stuff starts looking kind of the same.

And on my show this week, I talked about how some non-political YouTube channels have been sort of

bought up by private equity and that hasn't necessarily been disclosed by the creators.

And so a lot of the same changes start being instituted across channels.

And so things kind of start to look more similar.

I don't think that that's good because I think part of what makes the space interesting is that

Everybody has their own presentation style.

The studios look different.

The approach looks different.