David Pakman

Losing that I think is bad.

I do think that there is this reality that the right in the independent independent space has been so well funded for years.

that they've grown to dominate some aspects of it.

And that money was much later coming into the left.

And so I don't want to unilaterally disarm either.

And so I recognize that sometimes you do have to fight fire with fire.

And some of that money coming in may be necessary from a political perspective to fight the right.

I think that the donors on the left have been very attached to institutions as a concept.

And so when you go to them and you go, hey, forget about a big institution.

Here's the 10 biggest progressive shows.

They don't have anything to do with each other, but together, here's the audience they command.

What about the

dumping in a bunch of ad money, for example, which the right does where they go, Hey, listen, we're not involved in your production.

We're just going to do ad spend.

So we're going to put your content in front of people on Facebook and on YouTube.

We're just going to dump money in that way.

You could do that on the left and you could say, Hey, I don't have to create any content here.

The 10, the 15, the 20 biggest shows they're proven already.

They have an audience.

Let's just leverage that with ad dollars, for example.