David Pakman

I it's, and I've pitched that to some people and they don't really seem to get it.

They're just, they still think that doing the four minute hit on, on cable news is better for an elected official than long form conversations.

And all of this stuff is changing.

So I may be more critical than where we are right now in 2026, but I think it's just like the, the, there's this deference to the big conglomerate.

I think that that long-term thinking is what's missing.

And I've had a couple of conversations with people who they weren't really looking to invest in anything in particular, but they were trying to understand the space a little more, which I appreciate.

And I said, here's, they said, how would I know whether my dollars are working?

and how quickly, and I said, here's the way you kind of have to think about it.

Imagine that when you identify the 20 largest progressive shows and we figure out, Hey, cumulatively, this is a billion and a half views per month and a hundred million subscribers.

I'm just making up numbers.

It's probably, it probably would be like 30 million subscribers and 1.5 billion views a month.

Imagine if over the next two years

by investing in, in the ad programs using ad spend to boost these shows that triples to four and a half billion views a month and 90 million subscribers as candidates come forward in future elections as there are movements to support, whether it's prop 50 or whatever.

Isn't it mathematically obvious that 3X-ing the audience and viewership of these largest 20 shows is going to create a much more powerful apparatus?

And they kind of get that.

And I tell them, you won't know how much of it is because of your money.

You will not be able to know that.

That's the exact problem here, yes.

And they don't like that.

They don't like that.