David Pakman

sometimes is really weird in the sense that it completely seems to miss kind of like what I do.

Like I will get text messages from staffers that go, Hey, our principal, whoever it is, just put out this letter about what should happen.

And you, if you want to signal boost it and it's like,

No one in my audience cares about that.

That would immediately raise red flags.

Why is David reposting press releases from elected officials?

And so there's sort of like, we don't exactly totally know how to work with you yet.

Doesn't apply to everybody, but that's something that happens a shockingly high amount of time.

Yeah, yeah.

The other one that I don't like is, hey, I wanted to send you a couple of flags.

And I'm like, don't send me any flags.

I don't need any flags right now.

Just let me know if your boss wants to do an interview, and then we can actually have a conversation.

But to your point, there are increasingly more and more, I find it to be especially governors,

whose teams do really get it and our understanding that kind of like long form don't overmanage, certainly don't say only talk about these three things.

Just like if you can trust the principle, let them do their thing and it's going to be far more authentic.

And when you think about that, it reminds me of when Trump sat down with the Nelk boys.

I mean he told 150 lies during that thing, but it didn't matter because you got the sense that he was kind of hanging out

giving his genuine, authentic opinion about things, which is a deplorable opinion in so many different ways.

But the feel of it is something voters just identify with in a much more direct way.