David Pakman

That's right.

And that's the other thing which I think you're sort of alluding to, which is the talking points can't fill a long-term conversation.

So you all of a sudden have a 53-minute hole to fill.

Yeah, I think I, there's no, there's no one person that does it all perfectly, but in the last year, definitely.

I mean, I think Gavin Newsom's team definitely seems to understand how to use a lot of these platforms.

Uh, I think JB Pritzker is pretty good.

I was with him a few weeks ago in Chicago and did an interview with him and he was pretty freewheeling and was up for talking about whatever.

And his team seemed to understand who everybody was.

And I think that that, that was a great thing.

Um, not in more of an interview format, but Adam Schiff is pretty good at putting out reaction videos to things that are happening in the Senate and sort of like explaining how these relate to what people are experiencing and they get a huge amount of traffic.

So I think, I think that that's a, that's strong.

I think Wes Moore has been quite good.

and his team seems to understand.

There's really a lot that are getting better and better at it.

Cory Booker's team also is pretty on the ball in terms of being proactive, but not in a way where they're asking you to cover press releases.

They're actually giving you, Hey, he's doing this thing.

Here's what's interesting about it.

We would love for you to talk about it or whatever kind of thing.

Um, so I think there's a growing list of, of, of people who get it.

The primary thing would be get your staff out of the way.