David Pearce

And it seems like from the bits I've heard of this through your reporting, which again is like 18 months long, that this became a particularly deep version of that rabbit hole for you.

When you were really in the deepest testing phases of this stuff, what was the sort of day-to-day experience of living with one of these monitors like?

Oh, you could drive yourself crazy doing this without even trying very hard.

Yeah.

Well, it's the that's okay that I think is also interesting here because there is – I can just imagine the horrifying sort of causality between I eat this thing and I see the number go up and I know that the number going up is bad.

Right.

And actually, the answer is vastly more complicated than that.

Talking to folks in this industry, is there any sense that we need a better way to represent this data that the things that we're giving to people who are supposed to review them with their doctor for medical reasons actually are nothing like the things we should be giving to people who are, quote unquote, optimizing their metabolism?

I would argue it's not optimized.

And those are actually all measuring different things that are sometimes in opposition to one another that are going to yell at you to do the thing that they are incentivized to get you to do, right?

And I know you've been getting feedback from people in a lot of different situations.

And I'm curious how you feel about the idea of...

CGMs in particular, but also just this sort of medical grade data collection that we are increasingly giving ourselves, whether that's even a good idea right now?

I think there's a strong argument to be made that what you actually got was a good doctor, for the record.

Yeah, I agree.

Well, I know it's been a journey, but thank you for being here and thank you for the story.

I suspect it feels very good to finally have all this reporting out in the world.

I cried.

True that.

All right, V, thank you for being here.