David Pearce

doing the scams to make money and telling you that they weren't.

If you could just take all of those people out of it and try to run this process as like an earnest technological advancement, could it have worked?

And I think I also still land on no for some of the reasons that you're describing that like there is something at the base level of this technology that makes it not suited to the thing that everybody is saying that it's suited for.

But I wonder how you feel about that.

Like so much of I think your focus has been on

I mean, the title of the doc is Everybody's Lying to You for Money, right?

What if they weren't?

If everyone had been trying their best, could this have gone differently?

Or is there something about this thing that we pointed all this energy at that was just never the right thing for it?

The other thing I want to talk about is the sort of culture of crypto and like crypto people that you found.

Because I think like the what's in it for all the people who made all of the money is actually relatively straightforward.

And you can feel however you want about all of those people.

But you ran into a lot of people who didn't make a lot of money and in many cases lost a lot of money and went through a lot of real hardship because of crypto.

but still believed in it.

And you went to Bitcoin Miami, which is now like famously just one of the weirdest places on earth was Bitcoin Miami.

And it is this very specific group of people in a way that like, I've spent a lot of time in my life around finance people.

And I've spent a lot of time in my life around tech people.

And if you smush those things together, you don't get anything like the crypto community.

So like, what do you make of this group of people?

What was it about crypto that turned into this sort of bizarre culty atmosphere?