David Pearce

It's a lot of dudes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, it is very funny.

Like, one of the things I wrote down writing this documentary is, are we sure we're not just all mad at capitalism and the American dream?

And I think to some extent the answer is yes, right?

And I think we've spent a lot of time recently on this show and us were talking about prediction markets and the rise of sports betting and this idea of just everything is gambling now.

And I think...

That's all right next to the kind of stuff that you're talking about.

And I do wonder, I don't know how much time you've spent, you know, on Koshi and Polymarket and all of this stuff or looking at the rise of DraftKings.

But is all of that connected to you?

This idea that like, what if everything was gambling and none of it was real and just sort of like full YOLO nihilism about money in the world?

Is all of that sort of together for you?

Or do you think there's something different about what crypto is and was?

And I think there is something, I think this is a broader theme in tech right now, but it is, I think, most obvious it has ever been in crypto, where there are a bunch of people who tell you a tech story while they are just taking money out on the other side.

And I get the sense that that same disconnect drove you crazy the deeper you went down.

Everybody's like, let me tell you this story while I am just pulling money out of your pocket.

They are lying to you for money.

I think it would be a really interesting conversation to have about crypto if some of the good stuff had come true, right?

Like if what we had done is enable a really interesting cross-border global payments network, then it's like, okay, we'll put that next to some of the bad uses of it and let's have a conversation about whether this is a net good or not.