David Pierce

For a lot of the reasons you're describing, like the upside of if you're a 22-year-old musician starting on TikTok is that TikTok will show your stuff to people. Podcasts don't work quite that way. It's a... Big open space, but it's also kind of a harder nut to crack than it used to be, it seems to me.

For a lot of the reasons you're describing, like the upside of if you're a 22-year-old musician starting on TikTok is that TikTok will show your stuff to people. Podcasts don't work quite that way. It's a... Big open space, but it's also kind of a harder nut to crack than it used to be, it seems to me.

For a lot of the reasons you're describing, like the upside of if you're a 22-year-old musician starting on TikTok is that TikTok will show your stuff to people. Podcasts don't work quite that way. It's a... Big open space, but it's also kind of a harder nut to crack than it used to be, it seems to me.

Do you think these people are actually making a real effort to, you know, make a dent in this business right now?

Do you think these people are actually making a real effort to, you know, make a dent in this business right now?

Do you think these people are actually making a real effort to, you know, make a dent in this business right now?

I had not thought about this until you were just saying that. But given this sort of platform flattening that's happening, you can kind of make a podcast and then turn it into everything else. Like, so much of what I see on TikTok is clips of podcasts. And so much of what's now hitting on YouTube is long form podcasts. So I

I had not thought about this until you were just saying that. But given this sort of platform flattening that's happening, you can kind of make a podcast and then turn it into everything else. Like, so much of what I see on TikTok is clips of podcasts. And so much of what's now hitting on YouTube is long form podcasts. So I

I had not thought about this until you were just saying that. But given this sort of platform flattening that's happening, you can kind of make a podcast and then turn it into everything else. Like, so much of what I see on TikTok is clips of podcasts. And so much of what's now hitting on YouTube is long form podcasts. So I

I have podcast in my head as like hour long interview that I'm listening to through headphones while I drive to work. But actually what you're saying is, is maybe we should be defining podcasts much bigger and broader across media than we have been.

I have podcast in my head as like hour long interview that I'm listening to through headphones while I drive to work. But actually what you're saying is, is maybe we should be defining podcasts much bigger and broader across media than we have been.

I have podcast in my head as like hour long interview that I'm listening to through headphones while I drive to work. But actually what you're saying is, is maybe we should be defining podcasts much bigger and broader across media than we have been.

How do you define it for yourself now? You're a podcast critic. Do you have to have a clear sense of what is and is not a podcast?

How do you define it for yourself now? You're a podcast critic. Do you have to have a clear sense of what is and is not a podcast?

How do you define it for yourself now? You're a podcast critic. Do you have to have a clear sense of what is and is not a podcast?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, and I think if you take it that way and you kind of let podcasts... kind of be everything and nothing at the same time. Then just to keep going back to Elliot management for a second, right? Like the idea of doing that, all you're really talking about is like a new file format in a certain way, right? Like it's, it's a different structure for doing something.

Well, and I think if you take it that way and you kind of let podcasts... kind of be everything and nothing at the same time. Then just to keep going back to Elliot management for a second, right? Like the idea of doing that, all you're really talking about is like a new file format in a certain way, right? Like it's, it's a different structure for doing something.