David Pierce

One thing I've really noticed is the way that companies that deal in money have started using podcasts in kind of unusual ways. It's something we've seen actually for a few years now with venture capital firms, just to name one example.

Not only do most of the top level VC companies have their own podcasts at this point, but also people who do podcasts about venture capital end up going into it after meeting and talking to all of these folks. Have you ever heard the joke that like anytime two dudes go into a room, they end up accidentally making a podcast? It's kind of true.

Not only do most of the top level VC companies have their own podcasts at this point, but also people who do podcasts about venture capital end up going into it after meeting and talking to all of these folks. Have you ever heard the joke that like anytime two dudes go into a room, they end up accidentally making a podcast? It's kind of true.

Not only do most of the top level VC companies have their own podcasts at this point, but also people who do podcasts about venture capital end up going into it after meeting and talking to all of these folks. Have you ever heard the joke that like anytime two dudes go into a room, they end up accidentally making a podcast? It's kind of true.

And it's becoming a strangely central part of business in more ways than you might think. It's a strange, complicated web that goes both ways. And it's not getting any less weird or any less complicated now that you can add stuff like crypto and politics to the mix. So I just needed somebody to help me talk through all of it.

And it's becoming a strangely central part of business in more ways than you might think. It's a strange, complicated web that goes both ways. And it's not getting any less weird or any less complicated now that you can add stuff like crypto and politics to the mix. So I just needed somebody to help me talk through all of it.

And it's becoming a strangely central part of business in more ways than you might think. It's a strange, complicated web that goes both ways. And it's not getting any less weird or any less complicated now that you can add stuff like crypto and politics to the mix. So I just needed somebody to help me talk through all of it.

So I asked Nick Kwa to come on the show and help me untangle all of this stuff. These days, Nick is the podcast critic for Vulture, which is one of The Verge's corporate siblings here at Vox Media. He also originally started Hot Pod back in 2014. So he's been following this stuff for a long time and really knows what he's talking about.

So I asked Nick Kwa to come on the show and help me untangle all of this stuff. These days, Nick is the podcast critic for Vulture, which is one of The Verge's corporate siblings here at Vox Media. He also originally started Hot Pod back in 2014. So he's been following this stuff for a long time and really knows what he's talking about.

So I asked Nick Kwa to come on the show and help me untangle all of this stuff. These days, Nick is the podcast critic for Vulture, which is one of The Verge's corporate siblings here at Vox Media. He also originally started Hot Pod back in 2014. So he's been following this stuff for a long time and really knows what he's talking about.

I really wanted to know what he's seeing in this space in general, but I also had lots of questions. Why would a major investment firm like Elliott Management make a podcast to make a point in a fight over the future of Southwest Airlines? What is the point of starting your own podcast in 2024 in general? Was this really the podcast election, as everybody has been saying for the last few weeks?

I really wanted to know what he's seeing in this space in general, but I also had lots of questions. Why would a major investment firm like Elliott Management make a podcast to make a point in a fight over the future of Southwest Airlines? What is the point of starting your own podcast in 2024 in general? Was this really the podcast election, as everybody has been saying for the last few weeks?

I really wanted to know what he's seeing in this space in general, but I also had lots of questions. Why would a major investment firm like Elliott Management make a podcast to make a point in a fight over the future of Southwest Airlines? What is the point of starting your own podcast in 2024 in general? Was this really the podcast election, as everybody has been saying for the last few weeks?

Are all podcasts just videos now? And if they're just videos, are they still podcasts? What is happening? And does Nick have any idea of what's coming next? For now, I think at least this thing we're doing right now still counts as a podcast. But we'll see what Nick thinks. Let's get into it. Nick Kwa, welcome to Decoder. My pleasure.

Are all podcasts just videos now? And if they're just videos, are they still podcasts? What is happening? And does Nick have any idea of what's coming next? For now, I think at least this thing we're doing right now still counts as a podcast. But we'll see what Nick thinks. Let's get into it. Nick Kwa, welcome to Decoder. My pleasure.

Are all podcasts just videos now? And if they're just videos, are they still podcasts? What is happening? And does Nick have any idea of what's coming next? For now, I think at least this thing we're doing right now still counts as a podcast. But we'll see what Nick thinks. Let's get into it. Nick Kwa, welcome to Decoder. My pleasure.

I'm sorry I'm not Nilay, but I'm very glad to get to do this with you. So I want to talk about a bunch of things because we're at a really interesting moment in the podcasting landscape where we're a few weeks away from what everyone has kind of agreed and then litigated was the podcast election.

I'm sorry I'm not Nilay, but I'm very glad to get to do this with you. So I want to talk about a bunch of things because we're at a really interesting moment in the podcasting landscape where we're a few weeks away from what everyone has kind of agreed and then litigated was the podcast election.

I'm sorry I'm not Nilay, but I'm very glad to get to do this with you. So I want to talk about a bunch of things because we're at a really interesting moment in the podcasting landscape where we're a few weeks away from what everyone has kind of agreed and then litigated was the podcast election.

We're also in a moment where podcasts are still growing really fast, but the business has been really messy for the last couple of years. We have a lot to talk about. But the thing I want to start with is... this new type of podcast that I have been noticing and has started to crop up, which is like the B2B podcast.