David Pierce

I think if you can do it, we're learning it's very powerful. And I think what we're seeing with a lot of these things, all the way up and down the line, from huge celebrities who are trying to have podcasts, all the way down to, again, these B2B folks, the upside is...

To me, at least, you seem real and human and genuine if you can figure out how to hang in those spaces that is really hard to communicate otherwise.

To me, at least, you seem real and human and genuine if you can figure out how to hang in those spaces that is really hard to communicate otherwise.

To me, at least, you seem real and human and genuine if you can figure out how to hang in those spaces that is really hard to communicate otherwise.

There's something really powerful about what you gain by being able to like be in those spaces in a way that feels real and human and authentic that I just don't think even your point, like the broadcast radio interview just doesn't seem to allow for quite that same thing.

There's something really powerful about what you gain by being able to like be in those spaces in a way that feels real and human and authentic that I just don't think even your point, like the broadcast radio interview just doesn't seem to allow for quite that same thing.

There's something really powerful about what you gain by being able to like be in those spaces in a way that feels real and human and authentic that I just don't think even your point, like the broadcast radio interview just doesn't seem to allow for quite that same thing.

What's your sense of the next turn in all of this? We're in this moment where everything is a podcast and nothing is a podcast. Podcasts have all these new uses. The business is weirder than ever. Are we just headed toward more of this same kind of context collapse and YouTube is going to eat podcasts and that's just where we go from here?

What's your sense of the next turn in all of this? We're in this moment where everything is a podcast and nothing is a podcast. Podcasts have all these new uses. The business is weirder than ever. Are we just headed toward more of this same kind of context collapse and YouTube is going to eat podcasts and that's just where we go from here?

What's your sense of the next turn in all of this? We're in this moment where everything is a podcast and nothing is a podcast. Podcasts have all these new uses. The business is weirder than ever. Are we just headed toward more of this same kind of context collapse and YouTube is going to eat podcasts and that's just where we go from here?

As all of this grows and changes, especially as it runs into this like big teaming content ecosystem that is YouTube, I find myself wondering if it feels like the thing that has made the podcast industry feel human and authentic and real in the way that we're talking about really risks going away. Like Tim Ferriss, just to name one, is a public speaker and podcast host and an investor and so on.

As all of this grows and changes, especially as it runs into this like big teaming content ecosystem that is YouTube, I find myself wondering if it feels like the thing that has made the podcast industry feel human and authentic and real in the way that we're talking about really risks going away. Like Tim Ferriss, just to name one, is a public speaker and podcast host and an investor and so on.

As all of this grows and changes, especially as it runs into this like big teaming content ecosystem that is YouTube, I find myself wondering if it feels like the thing that has made the podcast industry feel human and authentic and real in the way that we're talking about really risks going away. Like Tim Ferriss, just to name one, is a public speaker and podcast host and an investor and so on.

And he wrote this blog post a couple of weeks ago about taking a sabbatical from podcasting. The part of it that I'm really thinking about right now are the new rules he set himself for doing it because basically he was getting bored. One of those rules was no book launch episodes because this is what everyone does, right?

And he wrote this blog post a couple of weeks ago about taking a sabbatical from podcasting. The part of it that I'm really thinking about right now are the new rules he set himself for doing it because basically he was getting bored. One of those rules was no book launch episodes because this is what everyone does, right?

And he wrote this blog post a couple of weeks ago about taking a sabbatical from podcasting. The part of it that I'm really thinking about right now are the new rules he set himself for doing it because basically he was getting bored. One of those rules was no book launch episodes because this is what everyone does, right?

If you have something to promote, maybe you used to do the TV junket, but now you do the YouTube and podcast junket. Or there's this set of people whose entire job is now just kind of podcast speaker where they're like someone you've heard of mostly because you heard them on some podcast and they make the rounds and they show up everywhere.

If you have something to promote, maybe you used to do the TV junket, but now you do the YouTube and podcast junket. Or there's this set of people whose entire job is now just kind of podcast speaker where they're like someone you've heard of mostly because you heard them on some podcast and they make the rounds and they show up everywhere.

If you have something to promote, maybe you used to do the TV junket, but now you do the YouTube and podcast junket. Or there's this set of people whose entire job is now just kind of podcast speaker where they're like someone you've heard of mostly because you heard them on some podcast and they make the rounds and they show up everywhere.

And Tim basically said he's not sure he wants to do any of those things anymore because he feels like he used to be able to do interesting stuff because he wanted to. And now it all just feels like a big grind. And so I wonder, as you talk about with politicians and so on, if we're going to see them start to be really choosy and strategic about where they go and who they talk to.