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David Reich

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Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

said, and that's still used as the explanation for the vast majority of the genealogies, the DNA lineages connecting them.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

So maybe except for 5% of the DNA, that's what we think is going on.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

Modern humans are one group, and then there's a sister of modern humans, the Denisva Neanderthal group, and they separated 500 to 750,000 years ago.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

But what's become very, very clear in a really important series of papers since that time is that, in fact, there are exceptions to this.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And one exception to this is the mitochondrial sequence, what you get from your mother and she gets from her mother and so on going back in time.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And there, the shared ancestor between Neanderthals and modern humans is only maybe three or 400,000 years ago, which is after the split that's very well estimated from the whole genome.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And what we've also learned is that's also true for the Y chromosome.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

So that's inherited from your father and his father and so on.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And that too is only maybe three or 400,000 years separated between Neanderthals and modern humans.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And like the mitochondrial DNA, the Denisovans are much more distant maybe.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

800,000 years, 700,000 years, a million years.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

So the story told by these two parts of the genome is one that's really, really different from the rest of the genome and incompatible with the main story, too recent sharing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And we know in these papers that maybe a few percent, 5%, 3%, 8% of the DNA of Neanderthals comes from a gene flow event, a migration event into the ancestors of Neanderthals from the modern human lineage a few hundred thousand years ago.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And it's tempting to think that both the Neanderthal mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosome come from that event.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

But the probability of that happening by chance is only 5% squared, which is a very, very small number.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And people have evoked epicycles, for example, natural selection for the mitochondrial DNA coming from modern humans

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

natural selection coming from the Y chromosome coming from modern humans, somehow being more advantageous and pushed up in frequency.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

But that would have to really happen on both these parts of the genome to produce this pattern.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And it just seems surprising.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

So what's been put together is a complicated model and