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David Reich

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

The other thing is it's not even clear to me what expansion means.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

If you want to make a strong argument, you might argue that non-Africans today are Neanderthals who just have waves and waves of modern humans from Africa mixing with them.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

Who are the ancestors?

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

So that might sound like a silly kind of philosophical statement, but like genealogically, I don't know if this happened before or after my books, you probably don't know about this, but there was a super interesting series of papers that came out which made it clear, many things became clear, but one of them was that actually the proportion of non-Africans ancestors who are Neanderthals is not 2%, which is the proportion of their DNA in our genomes today if you're a non-African person.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

It's more like 10 or 20% of your ancestors are Neanderthals.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And what actually happened was when Neanderthals and modern humans met and mixed, the Neanderthal DNA was not as biologically fit.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And the reason was that Neanderthals had lived in small populations for about half a million years since separating from modern humans, which had lived in larger populations.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

and had accumulated a large number, thousands of slightly bad mutations, such that in the mixed populations, there was selection to remove the Neanderthal ancestry.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And that would have happened very, very rapidly after the mixture process.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And there's now overwhelming evidence that that must have happened.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And so if you actually look at the ancestors, if you count of your ancestors, if you're of non-African descent,

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

how many of them were Neanderthals, say, 70,000 years ago, it's not gonna be 2%, it's gonna be 10 or 20%, which is a lot.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And maybe the right way to think about this is that you have a population in the Near East, for example, that is just encountering waves and waves of modern humans mixing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

There's so many of them that over time it stays Neanderthal, stays local, but it just becomes, over time, more and more modern human, and eventually it gets taken over from the inside by modern human ancestry.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

This is what happens to Northern European hunter-gatherers.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

They become farmer over time, but they're intact on the male line.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And culturally, they stay on the male line intact.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And so I'm not trying to be politically correct.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

I'm just saying that you can actually have scenarios where this happens.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

So for example, in elephants, if you look in forest elephants, which are the smaller of the two species of elephants in Africa, they're very matrilocal.