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David Reich

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Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And at this point, there's a number of these mixture events that seem increasingly implausible.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

They feel to me a little bit like, I don't know if you know the history of models of how the Earth and the Sun relate to each other in ancient Greek times, but there's these epicycles that were attached by

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

the Greek Hellenistic astronomer Ptolemy to make it still possible to describe the movements of the planets and the stars, given that a model where the Sun revolved around the Earth.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And we've added all of these epicycles to make things fit.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And one wonders whether there's some pretty fundamental differences that might explain the patterns that are observed.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

So just to give you an example of this, the standard model is basically this, that modern humans separated from a group that is ancestral to Denisovans and Neanderthals, these two groups for which we have sequences, somewhere between maybe 500,000 to 750,000 years ago.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

That's what the genetic papers beginning in about 2012 and 2014 say.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

said, and that's still used as the explanation for the vast majority of the genealogies, the DNA lineages connecting them.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

So maybe except for 5% of the DNA, that's what we think is going on.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

Modern humans are one group, and then there's a sister of modern humans, the Denisva Neanderthal group, and they separated 500 to 750,000 years ago.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

But what's become very, very clear in a really important series of papers since that time is that, in fact, there are exceptions to this.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And one exception to this is the mitochondrial sequence, what you get from your mother and she gets from her mother and so on going back in time.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And there, the shared ancestor between Neanderthals and modern humans is only maybe three or 400,000 years ago, which is after the split that's very well estimated from the whole genome.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And what we've also learned is that's also true for the Y chromosome.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

So that's inherited from your father and his father and so on.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And that too is only maybe three or 400,000 years separated between Neanderthals and modern humans.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And like the mitochondrial DNA, the Denisovans are much more distant maybe.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

800,000 years, 700,000 years, a million years.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

So the story told by these two parts of the genome is one that's really, really different from the rest of the genome and incompatible with the main story, too recent sharing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
David Reich - How One Small Tribe Conquered the World 70,000 Years Ago

And we know in these papers that maybe a few percent, 5%, 3%, 8% of the DNA of Neanderthals comes from a gene flow event, a migration event into the ancestors of Neanderthals from the modern human lineage a few hundred thousand years ago.