David Remnick

They said that Preti, who had been carrying a licensed firearm that he never brandished, was in fact a terrorist, an assassin, and they justified the killing.

We're going to talk about Minneapolis today and what it bodes for this country.

Emily Witt and Ruby Kramer have been reporting from the city, and I spoke with them this past week.

They're both staff riders for The New Yorker.

Emily, you reported on the protests in Los Angeles last summer, and now you're in your hometown of Minneapolis.

How have the ICE strategies changed from L.A.

to Chicago to what we're seeing now in Minneapolis?

And what was the difference in atmosphere, if any?

Ruby, you interviewed the mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Fry, and you spent quite a lot of time with him.

He's a very young mayor when he took office, and his first term, of course, was defined by the murder of George Floyd, and now he has this in front of him.

That's a lot of trauma for one city.

That's a lot of politics for one city, a lot of violence.

Let's listen to a bit of your conversation with him.

A mayor who just wants to fill potholes, pick up the trash.

And then he's talking about this kind of comeback that he wants to be experiencing.

What is he referring to, Ruby?

I don't see how he's wrong.

How did the response to the George Floyd protests shape what we're seeing now?

Emily, you grew up in Minneapolis.

What do you think it is about the city, or maybe it's just happenstance, that made it the site of now two of the largest protests in modern history?