David Remnick

But at the same time... But does the president show any evidence of much caring?

We don't know, although, you know... It sounds like Fry's being pretty delicate in the way he's reporting this conversation.

Emily, you're sitting right there in the city.

What do you expect to happen next?

Emily Witt, Ruby Kramer, thank you for your terrific ongoing reporting from Minneapolis.

I really appreciate talking with you today.

Emily Witt and Ruby Kramer are staff writers at The New Yorker, and they've been on the ground in Minneapolis.

You can find their terrific reporting at newyorker.com, and you can subscribe to The New Yorker as well at newyorker.com.

I'm David Remnick, and that's our program for today.

Thanks for listening.

See you next time.

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Until 2020, Barry Weiss was known only to that small tribe of people who were obsessed with inside baseball in the media.

But then Weiss, who was in her mid-30s, caused a stir when she bolted the opinion section of The New York Times in anger.

She claimed that she was chased out of the paper by a woke culture at the Times, staffers who had relentlessly attacked her.

In an open letter, she described herself as having been bullied for her, quote, forays into wrong-think, an echo of George Orwell.

And like Tucker Carlson, Weiss soon found backers for a new platform online, the Free Press.

And then just a few years later, Paramount Skydance purchased the Free Press and the owners moved Weiss over to run CBS News.