David Rosenthal

Business.

Really?

But that's important, that background.

This kind of broad curiosity about things other than business and technology.

I hear it in your program.

I hear it in your podcast.

So what I'm thinking of in my head is Kahneman and Tversky.

I wrote a book called The Undoing Projects.

And you could see two people.

And then it got me thinking about collaboration.

And I've had exciting collaborations with people.

And the feeling I get is this person is bringing out a better version of me, which is why I asked if your spouses were threatened, because Kahneman and Tversky's spouses were –

Threatened is too strong a word, but they were very aware that the relationship that was the most important in their lives was with, not with their spouse, but with... I got this sense from the Undoing Project that Kahneman and Tversky's relationship was very intense.

Argumentative.

Yes, it was.

And competitive.

It was not competitive.

Danny Kahneman was always felt at risk of being dismissed, thought the lesser partner.

There was a status difference between the two of them.

Right going into it.