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David Sachs

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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

But

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

I think China definitely wants to compete.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

There have been some stories recently, I think Bloomberg and Reuters reported that they actually are not allowing Nvidia chips into their country.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

And the reason for that, we think, is that they want to indigenize chip production.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

They want to stand up Huawei as their national champion.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

And effectively, they're creating a market subsidy for Huawei by keeping out the competition.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

So they're protecting their market to stand up Huawei.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

And I think their plan would be to have Huawei dominate chips in China first and then use that to scale up and then try to take over the rest of the world.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

Chip production is a scale-up business.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

So if they can dominate the Chinese market first, that gives them a powerful platform to then proliferate to the rest of the world.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

You want to weigh in?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

Well, just to build on that, I think people sometimes ask, how will you know if you've won the AI race with China or with other countries?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

And I think there's a very simple answer to that, which is market share.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

You know, if five years we look around the world and we see that it's American chips and models are being used everywhere, well, that means we won.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

But if in five years we look around the world and it's Huawei chips and deep seek models, then that would be very bad, right?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

That'd be a bad sign.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

That means that we lost.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

So I do think that the proliferation or diffusion

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

of American technology is really critical to winning this race.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Inside America's AI Strategy: Infrastructure, Regulation, and Global Competition

We know from Silicon Valley that the companies that end up becoming huge are the ones that create ecosystems.