David Sacks

I mean, is this a case of show us the man and we'll tell you the crime?

I mean, obviously, it seems kind of coincidental that he's not being arrested for misconduct in the Epstein affair.

He's being arrested on mishandling, I guess, trade secrets or public documents.

So obviously, the timing of this is not coincidental.

Okay, wait, I can't let that just go by.

What do you mean by involving co-hosts of this podcast?

Yeah, let me just, for viewers of this episode who didn't see that episode, let me just summarize what exactly happened there, because I want to just make sure that...

Jason's reputation is not unfairly impugned.

And I don't think you're doing that, but just to be absolutely clear about it, what happened was that Jason hosted an episode of This Week in Startups roughly, I think, in 2011 with a couple of the Bitcoin core founders.

And then Epstein reached out to him for an introduction to those people.

I thought, and one of my takeaways from that was, like you said, Sayegar, that Epstein was extraordinarily early to Bitcoin.

He clearly had a nose

for putting himself in the middle of things.

I think 2011 is when I discovered Bitcoin.

So that was relatively early.

I thought it was almost comical the way that Jason was trying to warn Epstein, oh, you don't want to meet these guys.

These are some crazies.

They're like these crypto libertarians.

They want to take down the government.

There's no profit.