David Sacks

There's no investment opportunity here.

In a way, it was kind of

comical that Jason was trying to warn Epstein about the Bitcoin guys rather than vice versa.

But I don't really think people knew at that point in time what Epstein was involved in.

Do you disagree with that?

Do you think people should have known by 2011?

But it wasn't widely publicized at the time.

I thought the Palm Beach story didn't come out until, or sorry, maybe it was the Miami Herald, didn't come out until 2018.

Yeah, it's hard for me to judge.

I certainly, in that time period, had never even heard of Jeffrey Epstein.

And I don't think most people had.

When did this become sort of a cause celeb?

I mean, wasn't it more around his arrest?

2018, I would say.

All right, guys, let me just get control of this again, because I think we're going down a rabbit hole and there's lots of aspects of this story that we could discuss.

I think that we should probably judge each person who interacted with Epstein or visited his island and so forth and so on individually in terms of what they actually did, what they actually knew.

Sagar, I just think you're being a little bit unfair to Jason because all he did was exchange emails with Epstein in the 2011 time period.

That's all.

Yes.

And I think that exchange was noteworthy for the reason you just said, which is that Epstein somehow was putting himself in the middle of all sorts of things.