David Sacks

I mean, he's almost like a zealot-like figure who pops up in many different newsworthy stories over the last few decades, which is what I think makes this interesting.

I think maybe a question for each of you is, who do you think this guy ultimately was?

I mean, you hear all sorts of theories.

Let's say maybe the Epstein maximalist position would be that he was an intelligence asset or intelligence agent who was running a vast compromise operation on his island and thereby was corrupting and blackmailing the world's elite to someone who

I think, Michael, you have a different point of view on that.

Let me not characterize it.

I'll let you guys do it.

But Sagar, let me start with you.

Who do you think this guy was?

And ultimately, you know, at a 30,000 foot level, what do you think is going on here?

What is this Epstein story really about?

And then, Michael, I want to go to you on the same question.

Well, that's what I'm claiming.

Michael, I don't want to get off on that yet, but just go back to my original question of what is your 30,000 foot take on what this story is about?

Who was this guy in your view?

Well, Michael, how many alleged victims are there?

I have four requests outstanding for that.

Hold on, guys.

So Sager told us.

upfront that he only had half an hour.