David Sacks

I mean, wasn't it more around his arrest?

2018, I would say.

All right, guys, let me just get control of this again, because I think we're going down a rabbit hole and there's lots of aspects of this story that we could discuss.

I think that we should probably judge each person who interacted with Epstein or visited his island and so forth and so on individually in terms of what they actually did, what they actually knew.

Sagar, I just think you're being a little bit unfair to Jason because all he did was exchange emails with Epstein in the 2011 time period.

That's all.

Yes.

And I think that exchange was noteworthy for the reason you just said, which is that Epstein somehow was putting himself in the middle of all sorts of things.

I mean, he's almost like a zealot-like figure who pops up in many different newsworthy stories over the last few decades, which is what I think makes this interesting.

I think maybe a question for each of you is, who do you think this guy ultimately was?

I mean, you hear all sorts of theories.

Let's say maybe the Epstein maximalist position would be that he was an intelligence asset or intelligence agent who was running a vast compromise operation on his island and thereby was corrupting and blackmailing the world's elite to someone who

I think, Michael, you have a different point of view on that.

Let me not characterize it.

I'll let you guys do it.

But Sagar, let me start with you.

Who do you think this guy was?

And ultimately, you know, at a 30,000 foot level, what do you think is going on here?

What is this Epstein story really about?

And then, Michael, I want to go to you on the same question.