David Senra

And your point is like, no, there's like multiple different archetypes.

Obviously, like I've studied this maybe more than anybody else in the world.

It's very clear that there are.

Yeah.

And yet they're all kind of like narrowly focused on this is the one path.

And me and you went over this back and forth before.

It's just like, it's so ridiculous to say like there is, this is the way founders should run their company because you said it back in 2021 in that series and Spotify, we've had conversations like this.

This is something I always say.

It's like, it's tied to the personality of founder.

Like the advice is fucking useless unless it's tied to who you are as a person.

Spotify is a reflection of you.

Now, I do want to talk also about this other great idea that you gave me and that now I heard Jeff Bezos echo recently about the fact that there's similarities between like the way your child develops and the way a company develops.

That was very fascinating.

Yeah.

But where are you like – explain why you would even want to broach the subject of like talking more about the different founder archetypes.

So I don't want, again, this is more of a conversation interview because I'm a terrible interviewer and I love to talk.

I do a monologue show for God's sake.

But I had this theory too, because it's obvious in the books, like there's this like myth.

It's like of like the genius young entrepreneur.

And if you go and read all the biographies, they weren't like laying about doing nothing when they were younger.