David Senra

And I don't know if that's the underlying why that you refused to let your family continue to go the same direction that it had gone up until you were born.

And you went, as Sam would say, and we've talked about, you went searching for mentors because you didn't have them in your life.

You found them in books and in founders.

And you've been telling everybody about it ever since.

And it worked for you to change your life.

And now we know, based on your work, that your work is now changing other people's lives in that same way that you changed your own first.

But you were the first beneficiary of it.

And so what is your principle or why?

I don't know.

Maybe it's that you don't have to just keep going the same direction that you were given.

You can break off and found something new.

I think that's pretty amazing.

This is one of David's quirks.

He tells you how long he talked to someone every time.

I just had this four-hour lunch with Stones.

I also think you're providing people with a set of ingredients, maybe, through these episodes and conversations.

but that it's important that people then go make their own recipe.

Like you shouldn't just want to live like person XYZ.

A lot of people you cover have the same pitfalls in their lives.

And one might be tempted to think those pitfalls are just inevitable byproducts of success.