David Senra

Like, it's going to shorten your life.

And some people want to.

There's a great line in Bruce Springsteen's autobiography where he's like, some people's five years is worth more than other people's 50.

You know, so like some people just have to burn bright and like they're going to, that is like their destiny.

That's what they're going to do.

I want to like have a very interesting life and I want to succeed decade after decade after decade.

Were you making any money in the first five years?

Back then, so this is a long story, but like there was the podcast advertising is not like how it is now, which is like way more advanced and like you can sell your own deals independently.

So at that time there was like these, they call them podcast networks, but they're not, I guess they're not, there wasn't a network podcast.

They would just sell ads for you.

And so I just remember reaching out to one of them

And they're like, we would love to sell ads for you.

It's like, you need 50,000 downloads per episode.

And what did you have, 1,500?

The number they said, I was like, 50,000?

I was like, it seemed like such a, I was like, I will never have that.

Like, I just didn't, I couldn't compute.

I don't even know what I had, but a couple thousand or whatever the number was back then.

And so then you would like,

Try to do like, you could do like affiliate deals.